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Originally posted by Archangel
Seriously Meryl, do yourself a favor and don't buy GM. You want a car that is engineered to last, not one engineered to be replaced in a hurry for a quick turn around sale.

My '02 Pontiac Grand AM GT runs just fine, I haven't had any serious problems with it at all, just standard maintenance

My last 2 vehicles have been GM, and both lasted alot longer than I expected. Last one was a 95 Grand Am GT, and it had almost 200,000 miles on it when it decided to quit working. The one I have now is a 2000 Grand Am GT, and its still going strong and much like Meryl, have only had the routine maintenance.

See Arch, GM's arn't as bad as you think they are hehe, you probally just had a bad experience with one

GM's rock, I <3 my new 2007 Pontiac G5 SE. And our 1999 Grand Am GT is still going strong. Plus GM gave us a 1000$ off the new one just for having another Gm vehicle =oP

Probably right Meryl....probably right. In fact, neither I nor my family have ever had a bad experience with a GM.....my parents last one would have lasted longer if someone hadnt pulled in front of my parents vehicle and caused an accident that made the vehicle totalled.

Holly shit, I am surrounded by assholes, err Grand Am owners.

All I have to say is don't take your word for it. Look at real research that examines a large number of cases, not just a few. Consumer Reports is always a good place to check for reliability. Resell values is also a good indicator. Alternatively you can look at GMs balance sheet. That should give you a pretty good idea how lucky you guys have truly been.

And umm, why does everyone own a grand am? That is just freaky. If everyone had a camery or accord I would understand, but grand ams?

The last Camaro I had, which was a '99 model, lasted me to about 180,000 miles. More, if I remember right. The ONLY thing that needed to be done on it was to replace the catalytic converter. That's it. Ran smooth, drove sharp, and it had T-Tops. I owned two of them, in fact. I also owned a '79 Monte Carlo. I was in a dealership when I was looking at Trans Ams some time ago, and the design.. Yes, Arch, the DESIGN of the vehicle had saved this man's daughter's life when she was in a car accident in a Firebird, and the man refused to buy another type of car.

Consumer Reports aren't always based on facts as they'd like you to believe. And I could pull up any type of vehicle and someone's gonna have something bad to say about it. But besides all that, my primary focus is the fact that when you buy a Japanese car, you're improving Japan's economy. You buy a car that is truely American, and you're improving an American's chance to stay employed. I've seen it happen. It happened with my father, and about 4 other GM plants about a year and a half ago because no one gives a shit when the see an advertisement. The Fast and the Furious was a bloody hour and a half-long Japanese car commercial, with a sweet '73 Dodge Charger snuck in at the end.

I'm not begging anyone to buy a specific car company's verhicles. I myself currently own a Ford Taurus. But for the love of all that's not served with sushi.. Consider an American car first, please?

Oh, by the way.. Arch, do you know what drives resale value? Availability. The only reason a foreign car has a higher resale value over an American car is that American cars are more readily available for purchase. And before you spout off another snide remark, they're more readily available because they are more commonly purchased, and therefore more commonly replaced by newer American cars because of lease purchases. That's it. Do the research, if you like.

Originally posted by Sonic
The Fast and the Furious was a bloody hour and a half-long Japanese car commercial, with a sweet '73 Dodge Charger snuck in at the end

It was a '73? I actually thought it was a '68 cause of the rounded tail lights





As for what Arch is saying, that is kinda creepy how so far everyone arguing for GM has or had a Grand AM.........

Originally posted by Sonic
Oh, by the way.. Arch, do you know what drives resale value? Availability. The only reason a foreign car has a higher resale value over an American car is that American cars are more readily available for purchase. And before you spout off another snide remark, they're more readily available because they are more commonly purchased, and therefore more commonly replaced by newer American cars because of lease purchases. That's it. Do the research, if you like.

Availability is only one part of that equation, the other is demand, i.e. desirability. The Accord and Camery have been out selling the american counter parts for years and retain a higher resell value. There are so many used american cars out there because they tend to be bought by rental companies on the cheap and sold after a couple of years. They are designed to be cheap disposable cars. Cheap and disposable has become the American way, unfortunately.

I actually did a lot of research when I bought my truck. Basically a used tacoma was hard to find. They are extremely easy to find on the road however, very popular truck. If someone is truly happy and satisfied with the vehicle they are driving, they won't sell it.

As to american made, my tacoma was made in Cali. While I don't consider cali a great place, it is still america and my truck is american made. I guess I could have bought a Ford ... made in mexico. As for the higher ups, well they all drive porshes so why would I want to buy them a porshe if I truly believed in buy american? At that level you really can't care one way or the other. Many many things are killing the american economy, Toyota is not one of them. The evil corporate culture that permeates the top automakers however is.

As to stories about I knew someone that knew someone that survived isn't very good evidence of a car's crash survivability. Many different angels and speeds can be involved. One data point just doesn't have any meaning or context by itself. Real world statistics are the best, however gory the situations were where that data came from.

All i know is either the celica, S-2000, Spyder,350z or a classic for me like a monte carlo or the one diesle drove in fast and furious

I've always bought GM, but my next truck will be a tacoma. Its a far better mid-sized truck than anything made by an american company.

It's true that there are Japanese cars made in the US. However, the money doesn't stay in the US or improve the economy by any means. It also doesn't really keep jobs here because most Japanese cars are made in automated assembly plants and require few workers to build.

Originally posted by Pallos
I've always bought GM, but my next truck will be a tacoma. Its a far better mid-sized truck than anything made by an american company.

Mine works great and it is a pretty truck to boot.

How does giving money to fat cats that buy expensive european vacations and outsource plants in foreign countries good for the american economy? There was a point in time that 'buy american' was good for america, like the 80s. These corps have gone global now and non-americans buy those stocks as much as americans do. Companies don't belong to any particular country anymore. The few that do, don't act in america's best interests, just their own.

Sorry Sonic, it's like calling Michael Jackson black, that line of reasoning just no longer applies.